tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post1717603926076137561..comments2023-05-08T11:00:18.690-04:00Comments on Lianne Taimenlore: Lord Of The Rings And Narnia... My ThoughtsKirsten Fichterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-30053876584533259252015-06-15T21:28:03.500-04:002015-06-15T21:28:03.500-04:00I am not bothered by talking animals either, I thi...I am not bothered by talking animals either, I think it is great! It could bring in the whole discussion about whether or not animals talked before the fall, but that is an unlearned question so let's avoid that. The authors purpose in the elements of paganism I agree is one of the main concerns. Paul uses paganism ideas to witness to the Greeks in Athens. So like you said, if the pagan elements are inappropriate in God's eyes, then they should be in our eyes as well. But I think C.S. Lewis uses the elements appropriately. I enjoy Lewis' writings also.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276870988181209360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-2558055976600859302015-06-15T10:49:30.970-04:002015-06-15T10:49:30.970-04:00Thank you for commenting, Jeremiah! I agree with y...Thank you for commenting, Jeremiah! I agree with you as well. Strictly speaking, it's unlikely that centaurs, unicorns, etc. ever existed. God did create man in His own image, and man is different than every other part of creation. <br /><br />I am not bothered with talking animals and mythological creatures in fiction. Truly, Narnia is one of my all-time favorite series, and I'm a huge fan of C.S. Lewis's work. I, too, love celebrating Christmas and putting up Christmas trees, so I understand where you're coming from on that. However, I would be careful in stating that every pagan element in fiction is fine. For me, some writers have used elements like that to twist and otherwise demoralize their tales and I wouldn't want to read those books. The questions are: What are the elements? Why are they included? And how does God view them? Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-18207586177134912452015-06-12T22:47:12.342-04:002015-06-12T22:47:12.342-04:00I agree with most of what you said. I doubt that G...I agree with most of what you said. I doubt that God would have created Centaurs and here is why. God created man in his own image, man was incredibly special. Man was the only creature made in the image of God. God's image in man is not how man looks, but rather what is in man, the soul. Unlike animals man has a knowledge of good and evil. Also man is the only creature with the ability to create a culture, religion, language, entertainment. God also does things orderly. 1 Cor. 14:40 God would not have told Paul to command the Corinthian church to be decent and orderly if that was not a reflection of Himself. Based on those I think it would have been against the character of God for Him to create Centaurs. The Unicorn, the biblical unicorn is not a description of a skinny white horse with a horn, but rather a strong creature that cannot be controlled. My argument against centaurs also works for Satyrs. <br /><br />With that being said, do I think pagan elements in a book make it evil? No. If I believed that I would be against having a Christmas tree (which I love setting up every year.) In a fictional work you can have fictional elements, the animals are talking....obviously fiction, so I am not bothered by including fictional mythical creatures. What are your thoughts?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276870988181209360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-66186919996877153962012-08-27T17:02:23.386-04:002012-08-27T17:02:23.386-04:00Actually, C.S. Lewis did not write LWW or any of t...Actually, C.S. Lewis did not write LWW or any of the Narnia books as allegories, but supposals. He even pointed that out himself. In summery, he said what if a world where animals and mythical creatures were the inhabitants, newly created, had evil enter into it when it was still young, like our world? How would Christ come to that world, and what would His passion be?<br />Also, Aslan does give some people spiritual gifts, just like God gives to people in our world. For example, Glenstorm was given the gift of prophecy. But it is clearly shown that those with such things are given those gifts by Aslan. Anyone in the Narnia books who uses any sort of supernatural power without it being a gift from (or without permission from) Aslan is a bad guy.<br /><br />I have always considered LWW as an influence to my coming to Christ. When I was five years old, I saw the 1979 animated version at church, and that same year I got saved. I really think God used it to help me understand the Gospel and lead to Christ. Aslan should never replace Christ, but, as Lewis also said, if the idea of Aslan helps us learn to love Christ even more, there's nothing wrong with that. :-)Rhoswen Faerie Wrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02720640403921392686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-39134233676045366862012-07-27T16:13:23.408-04:002012-07-27T16:13:23.408-04:00Thanks for commenting, Lydia! It is important, ver...Thanks for commenting, Lydia! It is important, very important that we keep Christ as the focus of our lives! :)Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-34327198477563083902012-07-25T21:24:47.593-04:002012-07-25T21:24:47.593-04:00i agree with you wholeheartedly. i don't think...i agree with you wholeheartedly. i don't think its wrong to read and watch these movies or read the books as long as you treasure the Bible more than them and don't spend ALL YOUR TIME on them. but it is a matter of conviction. it doesn't make you a Christian if you watch LOTR. i despise people who tell me that!Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14133030879235127425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-9533578853358573042012-07-25T12:51:36.995-04:002012-07-25T12:51:36.995-04:00Thanks for the encouragement, Miss Jack! I greatly...Thanks for the encouragement, Miss Jack! I greatly appreciate your comment! :)Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-68134948528367258002012-07-20T19:06:20.885-04:002012-07-20T19:06:20.885-04:00I agree with your post. I know some people who avo...I agree with your post. I know some people who avoid both these stories, and I don't wish to disagree with them. It is a matter of conviction, I think, and everyone has different convictions. But as for me, I enjoy these stories. I like, mostly, how they show good vs. evil. And in Narnia, how the kids learned from their mistakes. They weren't perfect, but they did what was right, even when hard.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04395502314886308773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-79692019561261375722012-07-20T11:56:13.879-04:002012-07-20T11:56:13.879-04:00Thanks for reading, Kristin! Your comment was enco...Thanks for reading, Kristin! Your comment was encouraging! I'll be looking for your own post on the subject! :)Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-57015330687285093452012-07-20T00:50:49.619-04:002012-07-20T00:50:49.619-04:00Wonderful post! I agree with you about the allegor...Wonderful post! I agree with you about the allegory of Narnia/the Aslan God figure. You also raised a good point that I forget to mention sometimes: the mortality of the mythological creatures. They are not gods or seen as such, simply other creatures in the world of Narnia.<br /><br />I cannot wait to see your post on magic, I also have been doing some studying and forming my reply to Petie's thoughts on the matter. <br /><br />~KristinKristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560352398435304706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-81342074448517652932012-07-19T21:17:35.957-04:002012-07-19T21:17:35.957-04:00Thanks for reading, Petie! I'm glad you enjoye...Thanks for reading, Petie! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I really wasn't trying to sway opinion, just answer questions. :)<br /><br />Yes, it is interesting to think about half human, half animal creatures, and I'd have to say, for the most part, their existence is doubtful. Why *would* God make something like that? I don't understand it (His thoughts are above my thoughts, and His ways are above my ways), but I only wanted to point out that I don't doubt that God had the power to create them.<br /><br />I'm working on the magic post, and there's a whole lot more to it than most people normally think. I can't promise I'll be done soon, but I'm doing my best to put dedicated study to it. :)Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-70143617679598040562012-07-19T20:45:03.723-04:002012-07-19T20:45:03.723-04:00Great post, Kiri Liz! Although you didn't sway...Great post, Kiri Liz! Although you didn't sway me in my opinion any. =) But I totally respect your opinions. And I am very much interested in reading your thoughts on the magic. The magic is really my biggest and main problem with both Narnia and LOTR (and by the way, I've never thought that there was a Christ figure in LOTR, but I do know some people who think that...). <br /><br />I do see your point about the mythological creatures, but quite honestly, the centaurs especially really disturb me. Half human, half horse? Sorry, I don't think there's any way God would have taken something He made specially in his image and turn it into some mythological, hybrid creature. <br /><br />Something I thought of... yes, Jesus is compared to a lion, but so is Satan (he roams about like a lion, seeking whom he may devour). I'm not saying Aslan is supposed to be Satan (whoa... talk about dangerous territory! :P ), but we just have to remember what the Bible says about Satan masquerading as an angel of light.<br /><br />Really enjoyed reading your thoughts, and I want to read more. =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-83581950295861947672012-07-19T17:53:26.319-04:002012-07-19T17:53:26.319-04:00Thanks for reading! It was encouraging to read you...Thanks for reading! It was encouraging to read your comment!! My post about the magic might not be up for a week or so, but I promise it's coming! :)Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-18125161461960864252012-07-19T17:50:26.974-04:002012-07-19T17:50:26.974-04:00Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)Kirsten Fichterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887462858049277918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-74699842542829872622012-07-19T17:26:05.509-04:002012-07-19T17:26:05.509-04:00Oooh, really good post! I read Petie's post......Oooh, really good post! I read Petie's post...and why I don't agree with all of it...she made some really good points. <br />I totally agree with you about the allegory/god figure. Everyone knows that God is not a physical lion...but the picture and allegory is so similar. In fact, allegories that use god figures can often spark people's interest to read the Bible and get to know more about Christ. By no means should we worship god figures....(may it NEVER be), I don't particularly see any harm. I agree with you...just as long as we don't worship the picture. <br />Excellent post...I'm really curious to know what you found on magic. I've been going through the Bible and studying what it has to say about that as well. A similar situation about this topic has come up. Looking forward to reading your post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5328638743833934975.post-80680825404602900002012-07-19T16:17:04.551-04:002012-07-19T16:17:04.551-04:00Very thought provoking post! I thoroughly enjoyed ...Very thought provoking post! I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. :) And I agree about Aslan, that's the whole point of an allegory isn't it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13321087028716596809noreply@blogger.com